Banister. 39 comments


The third-most winning manager in franchise history.

 

When everyone examines and over-examines stats, it’s always for players. Rarely is it for managers.

I figured, it might be interesting to look at Jeff Banister’s numbers as a major league manager.

In two and two-thirds seasons, Jeff Banister has managed 437 major league games.

His record in those games is 237-200, a .542 winning percentage. Ignoring Eddie Stanky’s 1-0 record in the dysfunctional 1977 season, Banister has the third-best winning percentage in franchise history among managers.

It goes Tim Bogar at .636. Billy Hunter at .575. Jeff Banister at .542.

Only three managers have guided a Rangers team to the post-season. Ron Washington was 4-4 in post-season series, with an 18-17 overall record, including the only two World Series appearances in franchise history. The other two managers are winless in post-season series. Johnny Oates was 0-3, managing just one win in nine games.  Jeff Banister is 0-2 in post-season, at 2-6.

What’s interesting about Banister is, while he has a winning record as a manager, how little time the Rangers have been over .500 while he has been the manager.

Just nine out of the 113 games this year have the Rangers been above .500. And fewer than half of the games when he won a division title in 2015, seventy-seven games out of the 162. When he won the Manager of the Year award in his rookie managerial season, his team was under .500 most of the season. A late-season surge catapulted them from fourth to division champions.

On the flip side, his 2016 team had the best record in the American League.

Mainly it’s a case of getting out of the gate slowly, and having to crawl their way out of a hole. They were able to do it in 2015 and 2016. Not in 2017. Of course, 2015 was aided by the acquisition of Cole Hamels, who carried the team on his arm from fourth place to first. The 2015 Rangers were pretty much in the same position as the 2017 Rangers. Floundering late in the season. In fourth place. On the verge of last place.

While it’s easy to get frustrated with Banister’s unimaginative managing style, his Sesame Street level building of a lineup, and his dense bullpen managing skills, he has won a division title two out of three years, and he does have an overall winning record.

He’s been a success. In the regular season. Mostly.

The question is, was 2016—when he led the team to the best record in the American League—an aberration? Or was the aberration 2017 and most of 2015—when his teams spent most of their time wandering in the darkness?

We will find out in 2018.

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NO GAME TODAY.

  • grumpyderfsmagic8ball

    2016

  • Nathan Whitten

    I think Bannister has done a good job. The results indicate that, although that can deceiving. Washington had by far the most post-season success. Although I wanted to see him succeed, realistically, I think those teams won in spite of his managing, not because of it. The 2010-2012 lineups were so strong that they were going to win, given just adequate pitching. Bannister has not enjoyed the same amount of talent in his lineup.

    The Rangers had the best record last year because they are in the West. They piled up wins in a weak division, coupled with an unbalanced schedule. To some extent, that is the case with Houston this year. They do have an impressive 18-12 record against the strong East, but are only13-15 against the Central. 31-14 in the West is clearly a big factor in their record.

    But, to the point, I think Bannister could use some advice on handling his pitchers. Overall, I’m glad he’s the manager. He does have baseball knowledge. He’s been around the block.

  • Nathan Whitten

    Something else. I know that the Mets are not the best team in MLB, but they do have a decent lineup. Just when we think that Perez is ready for the junk heap, he goes out there and pitches one of the best games of any Ranger pitcher this year. Go figure. So precise with his pitches. So efficient. He could have finished the game with about 100 pitches, which is outstanding.

    Is THIS the real Martin Perez?

    • dearmidol

      I don’t think so. I recall him having a few games like this in the past. One in particular was a game in which he was cruising with around 80 pitches into the ninth. Banister pulled him during a shutout, and nearly cost the game because the bullpen allowed a couple runs, and had the tying run at third. So, we’ve seen this Perez. But he never stays long. Trouble is, most pitchers in the major leagues have the stuff to do this occasionally. That’s why they made it this far. Really nothing to see here. Time to move on.

      • Nathan Whitten

        Do you mean release him? I don’t see that happening unless this does turn out to be an aberration. I know he’s teased us before, but sometimes pitchers finally “get it.” I had never even heard of Keuchel–and at 30(I’m guessing) he wins the CYA. I don’t think he’s been in MLB that long. In other words, it took him many years to “get it.” We can hope.

      • WhoKnowscs

        The game you are thinking about was a Sunday game vs the Giants in 2015. It was just after we had traded for Hamels. And Banny let Scheppers blow Hamels first start the game before if I’m remembering right.

        • dearmidol

          Yes, that’s it.

          And after the game Banister said they took out Perez because he was on a strict pitch count since he had recently come back from Tommy John surgery. But he was caught in a lie because in Perez’s start five days earlier, he threw a dozen or so more pitches than that game. It was simply a matter of Banister going by the book: “Three-run lead or less in the ninth inning, bring in your closer.” Check.

  • Gregor_S

    I’m definitely in the “Banister must go” camp, basically because his rigidity in all things has led in particular to mishandling of the bullpen that has cost the Rangers an incredible number of games. But I’m a bit rushed this morning so rather than expand on that I thought I’d provide this update from Evan Grant, for those who may have missed it, on the Joe West/Adrian Beltre kerfuffle. Beltre as usual is handling it with class:

    https://twitter.com/Evan_P_Grant/status/895111529787531265

    • FlappingGums

      I hadn’t seen that and didn’t know that Joe West had ever said that he was just joking. I actually didn’t know that Joe West had a sense of humor. I feel much better knowing that he and Adrian Beltre had that exchange. 🙂

      • Gregor_S

        I didn’t know West had ever said he was joking either. He could have saved himself and AB a lot of grief if he had said so publicly, since he made his original comments in a public forum (a magazine interview, I think).

        • FlappingGums

          I agree. That would have been better and certainly more appropriate.

          • Gregor_S

            I do think though that even if he hadn’t been joking it’s kind of ridiculous for him to be suspended for stating his opinion. That wasn’t my first reaction but it’s definitely how I see it after a moment’s reflection.

          • FlappingGums

            I was thinking about it this morning and I came up with the same idea. At first I thought it was good. After quiet consideration I realize that I don’t like what he said, but he stated his opinion. So yes, I’m on the same page you are on this.

  • Rowdy Yates

    Kevin, great summary on Bani. Until your last sentence.

    • dearmidol

      Ha.

      I don’t think they will let him go, unless for some unforeseen reason ownership decides to totally reset and there’s a new front office.

      I think Daniels’s rationale will be, Banister had one bad year, and it wasn’t on him as much as it was the players he was given. You could argue that to a point, but his management style is pretty sophomoric. I think he gets another year or two.

      • WhoKnowscs

        By the end of his reign he’ll probably leave with a losing record or one close enough to .500 that you won’t be able to tell what he was one way or the other, He’ll take a team that rebounded from injury and won 2 division titles(2016 was the aberration-you don’t come back 30 or so times and have it be normal-not to mention absolute dominance vs the Astros) To a team that probably won’t make the playoffs in back to back seasons(assuming they keep him on for next year and they don’t go out an sign a bunch of big contracts.)

        A lot of it is on the GM for not providing the players, but when it comes to managing games and the team for the long haul, Banister is stubborn, predictable and juvenile in his decision making. He shows no more than base thinking: “R v R/L v L, 100 is the max(unless your name is Hamels), got to mix up everyone and platoon “everyone” only Andrus, Odor, and Beltre have set positions(even the catchers can’t get use to a pitcher like almost every other team) but then he turns around and manages the bullpen rigidly. My Closer can only come out in the 9th or after, only Barnette/Jeffress/Alvarez can be used first to bail out a starter. He constantly tries to get multiple innings out of most relievers and then sometimes will turn around and try and micromanage the pitchers for each batter.

        We’ll all probably gripe if they get a new guy in and he doesn’t do any better in the record but as it stands I think we are all pretty tired of the same antics from Banny. We want to see our starters left in to pitch when doing well. Many want Beltre 3rd in the lineup, And we’re getting tired of L R L R lineups . . . when we just want the more effective bats at the top(Odor no matter how he does should stay 8-9).

  • FlappingGums

    Have any of you heard from Jake recently? I haven’t noticed him posting for a few days. I just hope he’s okay!

    • dearmidol

      Yikes, I just realized that. I hope he’s okay, too.

    • GoRangers23

      I’ve wondered myself. I hope he’s ok too!

  • WhoKnowscs

    Anyone catch where Jay Bruce got traded from the Mets(Indians) right after we played them yesterday?

    • dearmidol

      Yes, to the Indians. He cleared waivers. I was surprised he wasn’t traded at the deadline.

      He has 29 HRs and a really nice OPS.

      • Tony Howell

        I rather have Bruce then Choo

        • dearmidol

          Choo’s on-base percentage is still pretty high. His salary is a killer though. And he might slow down considerably in the next three years he’s under contract.

  • WhoKnowscs

    Darvish pitches again tonight. A win tonight guarantees the Dodgers at least a .500 season(81 wins) as if they weren’t going to win the division anyway.

    • WhoKnowscs

      They have a 15.5 game lead over 2nd. They could literally play .500 the rest of the season and walk away with the best record in the majors.

  • WhoKnowscs

    New lineup idea

    Choo DH
    Andrus SS
    Beltre 3B
    Gallo LF/RF
    Napoli 1B
    Mazara RF/Gomez CF
    C
    Odor/Robinson 2B
    Deshields CF/LF

    Maz, DD, and Gomez rotate more.

  • GoRangers23

    I’ve been so busy today, I just now had a tiny bit of time to come on and find out what’s going on. I didn’t realize there was no game today. Bummer!

    We just claimed someone from the Pirates. I don’t know anything about him. Refresh https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad5d7f27fdb72d8fe9923791c1f7fc661e73f5407376607931ba1c9c648f2dd2.jpg

    • Rowdy Yates

      If he’s on waivers from the Pirates he’s not real help. More like another chunk of meat to toss to the lions.

      • dearmidol

        Yep. We’re not going anywhere anyway.

  • elkaba

    Kevin, to answer your question, I suggest you do the same as some teachers. Throw out the high and low score success seasons and average of the rest. Of course, that leave Banister with too small a sample to be meaningful, which is kind of my point. No way to fairly compare anyone who manages for many years against someone who’s managed for 3 seasons.

    • dearmidol

      So much of it has to do with the talent around him. Whitey Herzog managed the early Rangers, unsuccessfully. He’s in the Hall of Fame for managing. Billy Martin, too.

  • dearmidol

    Yu Darvish is up 3-0 in the second.

    If you recall, he used to pitch for the Rangers.

  • WhoKnowscs

    Darvish just threw 106 pitches in 5 innings He k’d the side for 10 Ks after a lead off walk.. Banny is filing a restraining order vs the Dodgers on Darvish’s unsolicited behalf.

    • WhoKnowscs

      They still baby their starters to 100 and have the Gomers doing the play by play make a big deal about pitch count though.

    • Gregor_S

      Yup. 106 pitches in 5 innings is a sign his control wasn’t sharp. Only 2 walks but probably a lot of long counts. Banny would probably have taken him out with 2 outs in the 5th when he got to 100, thus depriving him of the win. But Roberts let him finish the inning and go for it.

      If he’d pitched this game for the Rangers then (a) Brocail would have come out when he gave up a run in each of the 3rd and 4th innings, which inevitably would have caused him to give up more runs, (b) the Rangers would never have immediately scored 3 more runs as the Dodgers did to make the score 6 to 2, (c) Banny would have taken Yu out as noted above before he qualified for the win, and (d) the BP would have lost the game (which is still possible of course but unlikely). So he is WAY better off with the Dodgers.

      • WhoKnowscs

        Maybe it’s time for teams to realize not every player is the same. One pitcher’s 90-100 is another player’s 115-130.

  • WhoKnowscs

    These guys may be as bad as Raymond.

  • GoRangers23

    I have a question. Why is it that the scouts that were watching Yu pitch, knew immediately that he was tipping his pitches, but no one in our organization caught it?

  • GoRangers23

    This is Tony Barnette’s new look. Refresh. I think his hair looks great! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a81cc397d26e35cfcabcad3726229324d68f719a07db35c8f2d714d49cb1b6b3.jpg