The case against tanking. 324 comments


It’s easy, as a fan, to agree with what happened this offseason in the industry of baseball and how for the second year in a row free agency came to a crawl. It’s easy, as a fan, to side with teams for being smarter in how they dole out their money on salaries. It’s easy, as a fan, to criticize players as being greedy and to scoff at the audacity of them demanding all that money to play a game. It’s easy, as a fan, not to feel sorry for the quality free agents still on the market looking for a job because certainly they’re asking for too much otherwise they wouldn’t be still looking.

Money is tight and the industry is just getting wiser on how to spend it.

It’s understandable, as a fan of the Rangers, to buy their rational for tanking, even for whitewashing it with the more palatable name, “retooling.” It’s understandable to accept their explanation for why they decided against bringing in quality pitchers and instead opted to just slap together a rotation of retreads and factory seconds, why they said no to signing free agents who could transform the franchise, why they were satisfied with running out a last-place team.

Money is tight and they are trying to build for something in the future.

All the above is easy and understandable until you realize one thing. It’s not accurate. They have the money. The industry is flush with cash.

Yesterday, Forbes released its annual ranking of the value of major league franchises. For the first time in history, every one of the thirty franchises is worth more than one billion dollars. Even the Miami Marlins.

Teams have the money. Players are asking for more because they, like everyone, want their share of what they’ve earned. It’s only natural in any industry, in any business, when the company is doing well, everyone shares in the success.

The Texas Rangers are the thirteenth-most valuable major league club, valued at roughly $1.7 billion. Not bad for a team that was purchased for $593 million nearly nine years ago. That’s an increase in value of nearly 300 percent in less than a decade. Players salaries have not increased 300 percent in ten years.

Back in November, according to the article in Forbes, Major League Baseball signed a new seven-year broadcasting rights deal with Fox that’s worth almost 50 percent more per year than the current eight-year deal that is about to expire.

And broadcast rights are just part of the revenue bonanza baseball is enjoying. There is revenue for streaming, revenue for on-line rights, revenue from daily fantasy sites. Revenue everywhere.

Says Forbes: “As for baseball’s P&L statement, by our count, the 30 MLB teams generated record average operating income (in the sense of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) of $40 million during the 2018 season, 38% more than the previous year. Last season revenue increased 4.8%, to an average of $330 million per team, while player costs (including signing bonuses and benefits) remained flat at $157 million.”

The average major league team is now worth $1.7 billion dollars, an 8 percent increase from one year ago. Overlay that with the fact that for the first time in over a decade the average player salary decreased, and you begin to understand why the players’ union was openly questioning and frustrated —and even a little bit threatening—over the freeze out.

Forbes notes that over the twenty-two years it has been tracking the value of baseball teams, they increase an average of 11 percent annually.

So, as we watch the Rangers run out a rag tag group of bargain basement pitchers, remember one thing.

They have the money. They simply choose not to invest it on fielding a quality team.

Since the 2013 season, the Rangers are one game under .500. That’s hardly the model of a winning franchise. That’s hardly the consistant championship-caliber team that was promised.

Perhaps it’s naïve to think there’s an unwritten pact between fan and franchise—you give me the best major league team possible and I will pay major league ticket prices to support you. But I’ve never bought into this tanking mindset. This notion that fans should endure years at rock bottom for a mythical ticket to paradise at the end is one-sided. Fans want to see stars. Fans want to see players they can rally around.

If my team is going to be bad, as the Rangers have been three of the past five seasons, I’d much rather have a Mike Trout or a Manny Machado or a Bryce Harper—you know, an Adrian-Beltre caliber of player— to go out and watch on his way to Cooperstown than players who should be on their way to Nashville.

Maybe that is naïve. Maybe. But why can’t you field a competitive team and build for the future? The two are not mutually exclusive. Why do you have to be really bad before you can be really good? Why can’t you be good until you can be really good?

The company line is, they don’t have the money for that.

They have the money for that.

*****
TODAY’S GAME:

Mike Fiers (2-1, 5.94) vs. Drew Smyly (0-1, 7.11)
Game time: 7:05

  • calntom

    Baseball players are paid for playing baseball. They don’t have a share of the team and they are not entitled to a share of the team. They are employees. The average player makes what? 4-5 mil per year? It is a tough life, playing pro baseball. They can take it or leave it.

    Overpaying for Keuchel would be throwing about 65 mil at him for 3 years. You ~might get 2 decent years out of him.
    Doing something extremely stupid would have been providing the 5-6 year deal for ~120-150 he had been seeking. The Rangers have stated that they WILL spend more when the time is right. Finding arms like Lynn and Minor for about 10 mil a year is still overpaying but more prudent with less risk. There is not a lot of real talent out there from one year to the next on the FA market. Growing your own talent is the new norm for teams like the Rangers. It takes time and patience. The plan was never to compete for a playoff spot while rebuilding. They are doing it their way with their time with their resources.

    Way overpaying for free agents to remain competitive is becoming a thing of the past.

    • Tony Howell

      Who wants to be competitive when you can save money and lose.

      • IKF good at baseball

        Alas, the buying of, and trading for, players, free agents or active, is what put the

        Rangers in the position they are in. They traded away a good portion of the farm and spent a ton of money on what turned out to be mis-guided pursuits of deep play-off runs. Free agents and active players are really an unknown commodity. Like the saying, so common in finance, goes (paraphrasing); “Past performance does not indicate future performance.” The names Hamels, LuCroy (sp?), Choo, and Fielder come immediately to mind. They did get some use out of Hamels until he started laying eggs and was given away for next to nothing other than salary dump. Choo is still producing. Lucroy had one good year and then reeked. None of them, and a few lesser one, resulted in anything close to a WS run. Quality free agents require long term contracts to sign and are seldom worth it in the long run. Same with trades for big names. You have to give up a large number of quality prospects for one. JD was hired as a young inexperienced GM. He has had to learn the hard way by making mistakes. Mistakes he has made, aplenty; and learned he has. Being bitter about a bad team is a natural reaction, if that’s the way you roll. I don’t roll that way. I’ve had enough bad life experiences that if I did, I’d probably have committed suicide by now.

        • RR3

          Other than Lucroy, who really failed here, Hamels, Choo and Fielder were highly productive. Choo still is. What happened to Fielder was a fluke.

          I am not bitter about a bad team. In fact, just the opposite is true. I have zero expectations for this team, so every hit they get is a pleasant surprise, every inning they don’t allow a run is a pleasant surprise. I will probably have more fun watching this season than I have since 2016 because of that.

          I just happen to have a belief that others here don’t have, and I am 100 percent fine with that, and that belief is you can rebuild AND be competitive. It’s not either, or.

          • IKF good at baseball

            And none of them, other than Hamels and the much maligned Choo, really contributed much beyond one year. Situations like the Fielder fluke are what gives GM’s pause about long term contracts for FA’s. If it doesn’t, it should. It’s especially bad with pitchers. A pitcher can be great one day and the next blow his arm out. It’s just the nature of the beast.

          • RR3

            Fielder wasn’t a free agent but I get your point. Beltre sure worked out, though. Again, we have different opinions, I respect your point of view but I’d much rather be a fan of a winning team than a losing team.

          • elkaba

            Exactly. Rebuilding according to the basketball model is not working for baseball.

      • elkaba

        And still make a killing losing.

    • RR3

      I wasn’t necessarily talking about Keuchel. But, having said that, Volquez got $2 million, Miller $2 million, Smyly $7 million. That’s $11 million for almost nothing. Suddenly paying Keuchel looks like an incredible value.

      We can disagree on this, but I think, as a fan, there is no reason for a team with the Rangers resources to tank, or retool, or strip it down to the studs. If you give a player like a Harper or Machado a long-term deal, one, you have them now to bring in fans and to make your team viable to watch, two, you have them when your team is theoretically going to be good.

      While the plan isn’t to compete for a playoff spot while they rebuild, I ask why not? I remember in the golden years, 2010, 2011, 2012, Jon Daniels told this fanbase that this was going to be a team with championship-caliber teams every year. Of course, that’s GM speak, but that was the plan. Now it’s not. Now there’s a new plan.

      I remember the excitement this area had for Rangers baseball during those years. For once, it almost matched the Cowboys. But they pissed away that momentum. It’s just not smart to do in a football town.

      Yes, going to see this core grow up together, mature together and win together will be amazing (assuming it happens). But wouldn’t it have been more amazing to see that, along with a Hall of Fame caliber player? That makes it even more fun.

      • IKF good at baseball

        “While the plan isn’t to compete for a playoff stop while they rebuild, I
        ask why not? I remember in the golden years, 2010, 2011, 2012, Jon
        Daniels told this fanbase that this was going to be a team with
        championship-caliber teams every year. Of course, that’s GM speak, but
        that was the plan. Now it’s not. Now there’s a new plan.”
        And he blew it trying to sustain that by buying free agents and trading the farm away leaving the team, in his words “exposed.”
        This season is FAR from over. I fully expect this team to do better than many predicted. We’ll see.

        • elkaba

          I really hope you’re right, but I have deja vu watching this season’s team already. The knock on Daniels from 2012 on was we always started the season at least a man down, sometimes two. That’s what led to a number of the unfortunate trades and deadline deals. And what cost us the farm doing it.

          As many have said here in the past, starting the season with less than a fully competitive team means that, given a decent record at the deadline, deals inevitably have to be made. That put the buyer at a distinct disadvantage going into the fall.

          I’ve always maintained that deadline deals should be a way to overcome injuries and unexpected issues, not the primary way you field a team.

        • Mr.C

          #Me too

      • elkaba

        Yep. Add up everything we pay for junk, and win or lose, they can easily afford someone worth coming to the park to see play.

      • calntom

        We have disagreed on this for the past two seasons since it was obvious that the Rangers were going to rebuild with the plan they set forth.
        That is what this forum is for. It has been great expressing different opinions intelligently. It is what we do as fans on a solid forum with experienced fans.

        Jon Daniels told this fanbase that this was going to be a team with championship-caliber teams every year.”
        That is what he tried to do though ended up stripping the farm trying to stay in the postseason, thus time to scrap what it was and move in a different direction. That is where they are and the FO has made it quite plain that they will continue the path they have laid out.

        Will it work? Time will tell.

        Many of us here hit on some of the same points over and over again. Both of us included. It is just what we like to do. Talk baseball as we see it. It is all good, imo.

        I am just as interested in following the minors teams every evening as I am the MLB club. They finally have something going on the farm and if they trade any of these guys to try to win now, I will puke.

        • Mr.C

          I guess I understand both points of view.

          For example,
          Do we have faith in DD or would it have been better to sign a 31 yrs old Lorenzo Cain through for $16M/yr. Signing Cain would have blocked either Leonis Taveras, Juan Pablo Martinez or Thompson.
          (Maybe keeping DD was a better decision here!)

          How about signing Machado to play 3B?
          Should the FO have invested in Machado? Maybe. Or maybe they thought Machado is an asshole and they rather wait for Arenado to enter free agency next year.
          (Surprise ! Arenado was extended after Machado agreed to sign with the Padres).

          Do u spend on Keuchel now that you have Minor, Lynn, Sampson as the 1-2-3 in the rotation?
          If I’m JD, I’ll be trying to get him on a 3 year contract right now. But who is his agent? Yes, the guy that is probably asking for 6 years. Houston didn’t extend his contract didn’t they? Maybe they know something we don’t know.

          I understand what Kevin is saying; but the more I look at the current situation, the more I’m agreeing with what JD has done so far this season. He had made Texas, another Oakland A’s team. And the A’s were a contender last year.

          • elkaba

            It’s a moot point now. Whatever JD should do should have been done before the season started… like every other year we end up having this discussion. 🙂

        • elkaba

          I honestly don’t think he stripped the farm trying to keep this a championship caliber team. I think he stripped the farm because he fails in the off season to put together MLB caliber team. If July rolls around and we are playoff worthy he has to spend the farm to make up for starting off short handed.

          • IKF good at baseball

            What ever the reason he stripped the farm. It is what it is. He says he learned his lesson and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt until he shows otherwise.

        • IKF good at baseball

          I will join you leaving on the life line puking my guts out. Please, deal Lord, don’t let it happen.

  • Tony Howell

    Excellent article today Kevin agree 💯 %. Banking everything on a hand full of prospects.

  • IKF good at baseball

    If the Rangers were playing in the East they’d be in second place.
    If the Rangers were playing in the Central they’d be in fourth place.
    alas,
    the Rangers are playing in the West where all teams are .500 or above.
    They are on a pace to win 82 games and are in last place.
    They season is young. Will their lot improve or get worse?

    • GoRangers23

      That all depends on our pitchers, I think. If we have some pitchers that can get the job done, I believe it will give a spark to our young players. I think that if they feel defeated before the game starts, they just tend to give up and not do their best. It’s hard to stay optimistic when your pitchers are giving games away. They tend to hit better when they think there is a chance. Winning is contagious…..but so is losing. It’s all in your frame of mind.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Spokane Indian Alums are good at throwing baseballs. I’m not even going to include Hans Crouse. Jake Latz and Tai Tiedeman combined to strike out 17 last night in Hickory. Good show guys.
    In Down East, Leody continues to answer the question of “Will Leody ever learn to hit?” by extending his eight game hitting streak. Apparently he is unhappy about repeating a level.

    • calntom

      Spokane ought to be loaded up again this summer.

      Good for Leody that they have his attention .

      • IKF good at baseball

        Yupper! They will have both Cole Winn and Owen White in the rotation. For those of you who don’t follow such things they are the Rangers 1 and 2 draft picks from 2018.

        • calntom

          Looks like Cole Ragans could be on that roster as well. 2016 1st rounder.

          • IKF good at baseball

            That fan base deserves it. That club draws like a AAA team.

  • IKF good at baseball

    This is pure FILTH!!

    Kyle Bird, Nasty 82mph Back Foot Slider. 🤢 pic.twitter.com/BFMBpTfaqd— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) April 11, 2019

  • Mr.C

    Great piece Kevin

    Very eye opening!!! Can’t argue with the data. Owners are spending differently though. They are extending contracts now which makes other teams think about why folk’s contracts like Dallas K or Kimbrel were not extended.

    Seems that getting quality players in free agency might be tougher in years to come and the best strategy is to develop your own players through your farm system.

  • Nate Whitten

    You are right. The $ are there for the Rangers to compete NOW. The way fans fight the franchise’s refusal to try is also with $–or their feet, if you will. An empty park day after day MIGHT force action, but if they are still making money, it is unlikely. There are already plenty of parks much emptier than The Ballpark. So, what can we do? Really, not much. That is depressing, for people like those of us on RR3 live and die with the Rangers, although that’s probably overly dramatic. I can say that I, for one, really has fun when the Rangers win. I haven’t had much fun since 2016–I think that’s the last time there was a DC in Texas. A DC is not going to happen each year(except for Atlanta’s incredible run of 17 ? straight), but competitiveness can.

  • elkaba

    Best article ever, Kevin. Really.
    Sounds like baseball is just following the same formula as the rest of business. Maximize productivity and profit while minimizing payroll. It’s sad, and kind of scary. You’d think these big brain, Ivy League CEO’s would be smart enough to figure out this model is not only unsustainable, but down right dangerous. “Let them eat cake,” has never come out well…

    • IKF good at baseball

      I’m not going to buy a ticket on the jealousy train.

      Owners are supposed to make as much as they can, Players are supposed to make as much as they can. At one time Owners made almost everything and players made a pittance. A couple teams had all the money and spent freely. The teams with all the money kept getting richer, the other teams kept getting poorer. The rich teams kept winning, the poor teams kept losing. Along came the CBT and the MLPA as an effort to even things out. They still haven’t managed to fully even the playing field so they keep increasing the penalty for exceeding the CBT, at least as much as the can get past the MLPA which is opposed to anything that might limit salaries. In the process the MLPA has bargained away some of the minor leaguers rights to retain or increase their own. Easy to do because the minors have no reps. In some respects the CBT has succeeded in getting teams to spend roughly the same amount, but it’s got a long ways to go. The Ranger’s budget is normally about in the middle of the pack. Stand-by because there is a re-negotiation of the contract coming up. Can you say STRIKE?

    • RR3

      Thanks, elk. The one nagging question I have is, what makes anyone think this crop of prospects on its way is someone better than the other crop of prospects in the past that were as equally highly touted but didn’t do a whole lot?

      • IKF good at baseball

        Nobody can predict that. It all depends on if your a positive person or a negative person. I.E. is the glass half full or half empty. It’s your personal choice how you choose to see things and how you want to live you life.

        • RR3

          I’m going to Vegas and throwing it all red.

          • elkaba

            Probably a better bet…

      • IKF good at baseball

        JD traded most of them away for Hamels, et. al.

        • RR3

          Who did they give up for Hamels? Jorge Alfaro, Nick Williams, and Jake Thompson. Which one of those would you want back? Which one of those would be on 25-man roster?

          • IKF good at baseball

            Alfaro would be good depth in Nash and a plus war replacement in case of injury. Plus war catchers are not a dime a dozen. I would like to have Eichoff and Asher back. Both had a good year, with I think sub 3 era’s or thereabouts, and then the too quick advancement caught up to them. They needed another year or two in the minors and didn’t get it.

      • elkaba

        LOL, True, but that’s an integral part of the trickle down fallacy and the whole fantasy world we live in these days. It’s always sold as the promise of tomorrow mitigating any pain today. And when it inevitably doesn’t work out as promised, they just promise some more.

        It’s how everything is run nowadays, not just baseball. When people finally wake up and realize they’ve been had, sold a con job, they finally get angry but it’s too late- the perpetrators are long gone… along with all the money. Then the next bunch shows up and it starts all over again.

      • Tony Howell

        I believe you have hit the nail on the head

      • Mr.C

        Prospects lost recently to trades or Rule 5:

        Nick Williams
        AVG=.267, OBP=.328, OPS=.769 (practically, Mazara with better defense)

        Odubel Herrera
        AVG=.280, OBP=.336, OPS=.765 (better than Deshields for sure)

        Lewis Brinson
        AVG=.193, OBP=.240, OPS=.568 (bust, so far … first 2 yrs)

        Jorge Alfaro
        AVG.=.269, OBP=.327, OPS=.756 (not bad!)

    • Gregor_S

      Right, most of us don’t come out to the park to watch the owners own. They’re entitled to a reasonable profit but there’s no reason their share of the pie should be increasing so dramatically. Then there’s the practice of not giving big long-term contracts to players approaching age 30. The system is set up to deny players free market salaries for the first 6 years of their major league careers since they draw major league minimum or maybe a hair more for 3 and then arbitration for the next 3. This was agreed to on the assumption that those who make it to 6 years (probably a minority, though I don’t know the statistics) would cash in, but unless you’re a megastar like Machado or Harper you’ll probably be close to 30 by then and can’t count on a big payday. And I don’t begrudge the Machados and Harpers because they were obviously underpaid their first 6 years. It’s all gotten way out of whack.

      • elkaba

        Yep. Capitalism is a great system, best model in the world, but it easily gets out of whack and becomes unbalanced without careful controls to maintain the profit incentive while reducing the tendency for monopoly (throwing the baby out with the bath water, the whole money is power thing, etc.) Unregulated it’s just not ideal for promoting the health and protecting the best interests of a whole system. The key is finding the right balance between incentive and regulation, and sometimes that line is hard to draw. In the case of baseball, it’s out of whack.

        • Gregor_S

          Regulation should work in theory but in practice the regulators end up being captured by the industry they’re supposed to regulate most of the time. Money buys power which gives it more money and so on. Not sure what the solution is.

          But as far as the baseball owners are concerned, they don’t really even believe in capitalism. They want taxpayers to pay for their ballparks (while they keep almost all the profits), they wanted a salary cap to prevent them from freely competing with each other and settled for a luxury tax which now even the richest teams like the Dodgers seem to be treating like a salary cap, and as I said earlier they arranged to keep players at well below market salaries for their first 6 years in the majors. Yet I’m sure most of these same owners insist they believe in the free market and support politicians who claim to believe in it too.

          • elkaba

            Well that’s all part of the balance that’s needed (and mostly lost) these days. Money is power, and we know what power does, right? It corrupts. We’re pretty well completely corrupted these days. But it does all go back to understanding the simple, basic rules required for capitalism, baseball, any business, system or endeavor to work. You have to maintain balance… the needs of the few vs. the needs of the many or the individual vs. the whole system. You have to reward hard work with greater success but you can’t allow the most successful to leave everyone else without a leg to stand on.

            In government it means separating money from politics and policy making. In business it means large corporations cannot so dominate a space that smaller companies are choked out. In education it means Ivy League schools can’t be only for those rich enough to cheat or bribe their way in. In the case of baseball it means large market teams leaving room for smaller market teams to thrive and MLB players insisting that minor league players make a living wage.

          • IKF good at baseball

            Yup, baseball finance is a mess. As you pointed out, most players make ML minimum plus a small incremental increase for the first 6 years. An increase so small I doubt if it would cover inflation if they had to worry about such things. By the time they get to 6 years service time, many of them are done. That’s why I don’t get down on the young guys signing long term contract extensions at owner friendly prices. If nothing else it guarantees the player of a multi-million dollar salary for eight to ten years rather than six years at whatever the ML minimum is these days $550K (or thereabout) plus a small yearly increase. Of course half a million isn’t exactly servitude, but considering the limited number of people in the world with that level of skill it’s cheap.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Hey C …. Have you noticed that the Rangers are very close to being on a pace for a 90 win season? They’re on an 82 win pace right now.

    • RR3

      I sure hope this pace isn’t kept up. The Rangers would finish last again, with 81 wins, just 59 games behind the Mariners’ 140 wins.

      • IKF good at baseball

        I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that from here on out the Rangers will out play the M’s. Why? Because it’s highly doubtful that the M’s will continue to hit .294 as a team. The 8 runs a game bubble is going to burst. The Rangers arms are going to continue their slow improvement, despite the loss of Volquez. Sampson with his new and improved slider will more that fill his slot. The one possible clinker is LeClerk. Will he re-figure out how to control the old pelota.

        • RR3

          Yeah, last year the Mets got off to an 11-2 start, and they fizzled out. The Mariners did this last year as well, but not to this extent. Then reality caught up with their pitching. That’s going to be their downfall.

          • IKF good at baseball

            The Rangers have to figure a way to weather the impending Kris Davis storm.

          • RR3

            This will be an important stretch of games. 4-2 at home, 2-4 on the road. They need to make a stand and keep the winning at home going.

        • Mr.C

          90 wins !!!! Very feasible!

          Minor, Lynn and Sampson should give us quality starts most of the time.
          Volquez didn’t surprised anybody. He was the older of the TJ trio and it was expected to be the first arm to fall. Smyly may follow as he has history of getting hurt often. If that happens, it should open the door to >>> ???

          That was supposed to be either Y. Mendez or Ariel Jurado. Regardless it happens (Smyly falls) or not; the long reliever is key to the success of the team. Chavez is awful this year; Springs is fine; but he cant be in that role by himself. I need to see more of Kyle Dowdy.

          As far as the offense; I would like to see more of IKF and Pence in the lineup; and its about time to move Odor to the 8th or 9th spot. Guzman should join the lineup soon.

          • IKF good at baseball

            I think the lineup will sort itself out sooner than later. The pitching ? I’ve never been high on Jurado and Mendez has been disappointing. Feigle has a good arm, but he’s a single inning guy. Brett Martin has been showing steady improvement and may be ready, Pelham has up to this point been a big disappointment. He has not been able to adapt to AAA, I hope YET. Lord knows he has the stuff, just needs to trust it and quit dancing with the hitters. And then there’s Taylor Hearn on whom the jury is still out. Starter/BP. Ready or not.

  • GoRangers23

    Kevin, I have been asking myself the same questions for a while now, about why they can’t give us a competitive team on our way to greatness. I never understood the tanking mindset. On the Rangers Facebook page there are guys who have virtually taken over the entire page. They attack anyone who even tries to disagree with the rebuilding of the team. I was smart enough to stay out of it and only posted about two comments, which had nothing to do with rebuilding. I have read the word rebuild so many times I thought my head would explode. I got to where I wouldn’t even read certain peoples posts, then I took the page off my Facebook altogether. It was driving me crazy! I got to where every time a post would show up on my page, I would roll my eyes. My days are a lot happier now. Lol. I only kept it on there to begin with because I wanted to see what others were saying about our team. It wasn’t worth the aggravation.

    • RR3

      I hope for everyone’s sake they are right, that this team will have another window of excellence. One thing I have always tried to do here is respect everybody’s opinion and let them air it (as long as it doesn’t cross the line) and not attack them for it.

      • IKF good at baseball

        I thank you for that, more than you know. I sometimes get too close to that line and hereby pledge to do better in the future.

        • GoRangers23

          Your posts have been just fine. Nothing wrong at all from what I could see. I haven’t ever seen you talk hatefully to anyone or be mean to anyone because of what they said. That’s what he means by crossing the line, I think. Everyone’s opinions are welcome here. 😄

          • elkaba

            Yes, they are! And we’re all better off for it. (Baseball can get pretty stale at times. This place makes it MUCH more interesting.)

        • Mr.C

          ???
          You obviously have no idea where that line is. You haven’t been anywhere near it !!!

          • elkaba

            True dat.

      • GoRangers23

        Yes, you have, and it is MUCH appreciated! That’s why I stay here. No one is attacked for posting their opinions. Everyone has an opinion and we aren’t going to always all agree on every aspect of baseball. There are some really mean people out there! Lol. I have posted some pretty idiotic things in the past. I’m glad I haven’t been talked to like some of those people on the “Rangers” page…..whatever it was.

        • elkaba

          #Me too! 🙂

    • IKF good at baseball

      Here’s where I THINK JD made the big mistake. He tried to sustain the 2010/2011 level of competitiveness longer than was feasible. He made some bad investments in players. Some were good, some were marginal, and some were bad. He also traded away almost every viable prospect the Rangers had, leaving the cup board bare in the old farm house. That has come home to roost in JD’s word an “exposed” ML team. Yes he could have gone out and bought a couple free agents and stayed under the CBT limit, but the ones available wouldn’t have done much to improve the lot of the current team. The team has needs that the FA market could not have addressed other than 3rd base, which JD did fill with Cabrera, on whom the jury is still out, but looks good so far. It’s a sad state of affairs, but hopefully JD has learned from past mistakes. Stay off of facebook. That place can be hazardous to your health :):):)

      • GoRangers23

        I actually only have businesses on my Facebook account. I have never accepted anyone’s Facebook request, even family. Lol. I have the Texas Rangers, which I suppose is different than the one I unfriended, but I didn’t know that at the time. (They were both called Texas Rangers.) That is how I get my pictures, along with Twitter. I also have several Disney sites and Taste of Home magazine. It is a LOT better that way. No drama. 😄

  • IKF good at baseball

    Beltre Jr.? Nah, but nice play by Woodies Ryan Dorow:

    Silky smooth play 🔥 (via @TylerFeldmanTV) pic.twitter.com/xClgNR8DQF— Baseball Bros (@BaseballBros) April 12, 2019

  • RR3

    Here’s a fun article from MLB.com on one-hit wonders. The five living former players who had just one at-bat in the major leagues and got a hit out of it. One is very familiar to Rangers fans.

    https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-ultimate-one-hit-wonders

    • IKF good at baseball

      Which Bani would that be?

    • IKF good at baseball

      I finally went and read it. At least one of them was aptly named, Roe Skidmore.

  • Mr.C

    Drew Smyly vs. Khris Davis
    We need 5 innings from Smyly….. would you walk the Krucher?
    ((( THOUGHTS )))

    • IKF good at baseball

      I’d get two strikes on him and then let a curve ball get away and plunk him on the backside. Really, I don’t know what I’d do. I suppose pitch to him just to see how far he could hit it.

      • Mr.C

        I would pitch to Trout too

        • JacobMcCandles

          Darn straight

  • Mr.C

    Profar
    AVG=.177; OBP=.212; OPS=.535

    Odor
    AVG=.167; OBP=.255; OPS=.450

    • GoRangers23

      When Rougie is good, he’s really good, but when he’s bad, he earns his last name and really stinks things up. I wish so badly that he would be more consistent.

      • Mr.C

        Disappointing Odor

        • JacobMcCandles

          At least Roogie has shown success Profarless has never shown anything

          • Mr.C

            I was wondering where were you?

          • JacobMcCandles

            Got the Roogie alarm….lol

      • IKF good at baseball

        Doesn’t the whole world. I’m told that they have identified a problem with his early leg kick that is causing him to miss balls in the strike zone. I have no idea, I can’t tell. That stuff is baseball people’s wheelhouse.

        • GoRangers23

          I read that too. I’m glad that someone is watching for those things. I feel like they are doing the job they are being paid for when they pay attention to every detail. That’s how you get a winning team. Fix all the pieces and keep them in good working order.

    • JacobMcCandles

      Bury Profarless Boogie with Roogie

    • IKF good at baseball

      I don’t see either of them staying at, or near, that level of performance. Both are capable of much better. In the end I think the difference between them will be in fielding. Profar has carried his problem with throwing with him to the A’s. Is it a lingering problem with his shoulder, is it mental, or is that he just can’t throw. I duuno

  • IKF good at baseball

    Baseball finance is a strange and unusual animal that is difficult to comprehend. The amount of money a team spends on players has little to nothing to do with how much profit ownership makes. There’s this thing called the Competitive Balance Tax, CBT, that to a point limits what a team can spend. It’s an agreed upon limit between ownership and the players union that is periodically renegotiated as to what the upper limit should be and what the penalties for exceeding that limit are. It’s supposed purpose is to limit the spending differential between small market and big market teams. It’s something that probably needed doing. The alternative would be to go back to the days when if a franchise wasn’t making money, they’d just close the door and move and the big market teams ruled the roost. Closing the door and moving is something that came very close to happening in recent Rangers history. Not to mention it’s how DFW got a team in the first place. See former Washington Senators. Is the CBT the ideal way to even the playing field? That remains to be seen, it changes every time a new contract is negotiated with the players union. I guess the alternative would be a hard salary cap. That would still need to be negotiated with the players union as to amount. The Rangers tend to be good little boys and keep their budget about the middle of the pack. The part I am not looking forward to is next year the contract needs to be re-negotiated and it’s looking more and more like we’re headed for a strike. The players union is unhappy about all the long term extensions being given to relatively new players, some of who have never set foot on a major league field and they certainly can’t be happy about how FA has been headed. I’m thinking, enjoy baseball while we’ve got it because a strike is looming. Where the CBT is headed is going to be interesting.

    • elkaba

      Wouldn’t it be nice for a change if owners and players and agents and everyone else involved just sat down and negotiated a win-win deal that worked well enough for everyone? But that would mean admitting it’s in no one’s interest to have a strike, and the deal would have to be a compromise, fair to all but not one group winning over the others. That’s what needs to happen in baseball (and everywhere else.)

      • IKF good at baseball

        That’s just not in the human DNA. Why? I don’t know, I didn’t invent the stuff. I suppose if I had I would have made it that way. There must be a reason for it, but I fail to see what it is. A lot of people have tried various methods of achieving it and all have failed. Some much worse than others.

        • elkaba

          Law of unintended consequences notwithstanding, we still have to try. And as for why it’s not done more, I blame both nature and nurture. We are competitive animals, but with the proper education and study of History, especially how it’s not unusual for huge winners to end up even bigger losers (see Marie Antoinette, Tsar Nicolas, Emperor Hirohito, Mussolini, the entire Communist party, baseball team that try to buy themselves a WS winner, etc.), it’s more than possible to get people to suspend their natural competitiveness in favor of more lasting and positive outcomes.

          • IKF good at baseball

            I came to the “studying history” group very late in life, my mid 70’s. I have to say, there’s a lot that I missed and it’s never too late to learn. I stumbled on the free on-line courses that “Hillsdale College” offers and they are great. They are not really a course in that you don’t have to take an exam or answer any questions. They are just a sequence of lectures that you watch, so I guess calling them a course is a bit of a stretch, but they are well worth the effort for an history illiterate like myself. A half hour a week plus a little reading on my own and that’s it. I like em’

          • JacobMcCandles

            Would not include the entire Communist party…..but that takes a very unblended ability look at things. Also it would require the listing of what entails success and failure. Ironically if you read the Principles of Communism of Marx and Ingalls there is no true Communistic Government……Its Socialistic.

          • elkaba

            I don’t know what Marx intended communism to be (see note on unintended consequences), but what it turned out to be was just another form of dictatorship.

            On the other hand, socialism (and I have no idea who invented it) is just a fancy word for insurance if you think about it. Some things it just makes more sense for everyone to pay for as a group. I mean we all pay for things like roads we don’t use, and we pay for public education even if we don’t use that and border security, even those of us who don’t live on the border. I guess we could all hire an army when we need one, but we all pay for the military even though most of us may never need to use it personally.

            I know the word socialism gets thrown around a lot these days and it scares people, but there’s nothing about socialism that is anti- or anathema to a democratic republic such as ours. As long as Congress or a majority of voters decide that they want everyone to pay for something just in case it’s needed, and it isn’t prohibited in the Constitution, that’s fine and always has been.

          • JacobMcCandles

            Military not needed???? Wow..
            Sounds Obamaese

          • elkaba

            I didn’t say that! I said it’s something we ALL need to pay. That’s socialism for you. 🙂

        • JacobMcCandles

          Lol…..lot of wisdom today

  • GoRangers23

    All day long yesterday, until about 10:00 pm, I thought it was Friday. So now, I guess I get two Fridays this week. It’s pretty great! Lol

    • IKF good at baseball

      Always nice to have two Fridays. Don’t retire. Once you do that, you won’t have any Fridays.

      • GoRangers23

        I work at home and homeschool my kids. I’m on the last son now. We normally have an easier day of school on Fridays and I cook fun things for dinner like nachos—something everyone likes but it takes less time to prepare. We normally do something as a family that is fun. Last night my husband had a free movie rental, so we watched a family movie. I guess that’s why I thought it was Friday. 😄

        • IKF good at baseball

          Congrats on giving your kids a good education. That’s as far as I’m going with that.

          • JacobMcCandles

            Home schooling is hit and miss…..gotta a dedicated Mother like Go its a Home Run…..mine stopped at a 4th grade level.

  • calntom

    Glad we are getting back to a bunch of the 7:05 games with a few day games mixed in

    • JacobMcCandles

      AMEN

  • JacobMcCandles

    Late to the party….looks like the subject has been covered…….will add one cent. Don’t mind the team folding the tent as long as the money saved is money invested later. We are too many players away from competing with Houston. Just gotta bite down and wait. We had a nice run, no reason to think we can’t do it again.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Good grief, if this is true ……. If Crouse has succeeded in developing a good changeup go ahead and dream of a front line guy. On second thought don’t dream, barring injury it’s going to be.

    This is an intriguing development. https://t.co/jXkgsFdkqz— Adam J. Morris (@lonestarball) April 12, 2019

  • possumrld

    Just because teams “have the money” doesn’t mean they are some how obligated to spend it, just to please the fans. Or it doesn’t obligate them to sign outlandish contracts for players who are already way over payed. And a sure way not to “have the money” anymore, is to ignore good business sense and spend it like it is going out of style,
    But to me, this idea “they have the money” logic is much like the age old complaints employees put up to management, as to why their company should give them more of a “share” of the profits. “After all”, the age old argument goes, “the company is making money hand over fist, so it just isn’t fair!”
    And in a regular company work environment, this argument does indeed have some validity, at times. But in no business setting is it a practical idea to base salaries on, “the curve”, as in “however much profit the owners are making, the labor force should get paid by a percentage of that number”. That always sounds good on paper, but it just doesn’t work that way, nor will it ever work that way, at least not for long anyway.
    I personally believe wise companies usually do pay a discernible higher wage above the normal market wage. But as we have seen in Detroit, with the UAW Union, when you start yielding to outlandish employee and Union demands, no matter how high the pay goes, or how cushie their benefits packages are, they seem to always want more.
    And on this account, pro sports players are the very worst. They make way more money than most people do, and at a much higher percent of owner’s profits, often making as much or more money in just one season than us us “poo folk” could ever hope to make in an entire lifetime.
    I really don’t know if the Rangers are “doing it right” or not. But I don’t have a problem with them not automatically signing huge ridiculous contracts for over priced free agents. Maybe that approach will lead them to mediocrity. But maybe not.
    However, I think MLB needs to have some kind of a “gentleman’s agreement”, not to sign some of these ridiculous contracts. They can’t decide this collectively, or that would be considered real “collusion”, and with no Russians. 🙂 But if they don’t do something soon, eventually it will cause fans to abandon the games at the ballparks, due to the fact most of the common folks simply won’t be able to afford to buy the high priced tickets anymore, and pay the outlandish parking fees anymore.

    • JacobMcCandles

      Spot on poss

      • possumrld

        Thanks, Jake! I am flattered!

    • IKF good at baseball

      Ticket prices, concessions and parking are insane. I had been living under a rock for about twenty years and didn’t realize how they had skyrocketed. I don’t remember what a ticket cost back in the day, but I could take the wife and two kids to the game on a whim, it was like, are we going to the Padres game or the movies. Parking I remember was two bucks. I used to take off every home game Thursday afternoon for the business mans special. I still don’t remember what the ticket price was but the boss and I used to sit front row on the third base side (he wanted to get a ball, I ducked). Whatever the cost was it was small enough so it wasn’t an issue. If I were to take the wife and two kids to the park at todays prices I’d have to take out a mortgage.

      • elkaba

        It’s even worse with all the construction. Add to the outrageous prices listed the price of having to pay for a golf cart ride to the gate… unless you’re willing to hike it from Oklahoma or Louisiana and arrive in time for the 9th inning. 🙂

        • possumrld

          lol!

        • IKF good at baseball

          How the Rangers and the City Council managed to con the city into spending the bucks on a stadium they didn’t need is beyond me. Yes, I get it, it’s hot in August but good grief spend what a half a billion on something you don’t need just to get AC? The American people have truly gotten soft. A hundred degress ain’t crud. People live with temps like that every day with no problem. Some people even work in it, and work hard. Steam catapults and all. While other just have a good time, especially at the equator.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e1bfa97eaa3d50d0c8240c780619a8726f33b9c087fcb192c53da3eed158efbf.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/067b1f37bd558d83a0a014711e80a4a0ccedafca7e4976579bbb42692a236459.png

          • elkaba

            Well I, for one, am happy about the AC. I’m just surprised at how easy it is for a very profitable sports franchise to get the city to help pay for it!

          • JacobMcCandles

            Arlington has a brain…..Dallas is 100 yrs behind

          • elkaba

            LOL, Is Arlington a socialist city then? I mean they’ve got everyone’s paying for something on some will use. 🙂

    • Gregor_S

      Very few people would disagree that players are overpaid compared to the vast majority of people. It’s just that the owners are more overpaid. The reason they both make so much money is that most teams have a monopoly on major league baseball in their city, or a shared monopoly with one other team, and the teams collectively have an oligopoly on major league baseball in the country. It’s because the owners make monopoly profits that they pay the players so much. No one is forcing them to, and they wouldn’t do it if the sport wasn’t so lucrative. To the extent they compete with each other (and even oligopolists compete to a degree) they bid up the players’ salaries to a level that attracts the players they want but still leaves them with a nice profit. But as profitable as the teams are, they always want more so they try to come up with ways to pay the players less than they would if they freely competed with each other. To the extent that they succeed in driving salaries down, it will just increase their profits — they are not going to cut ticket prices. In other words, player salaries aren’t pushing ticket prices up — it’s just owners charging what the (oligopolistic) market will bear.

      As between the owners and the players, I would prefer that the players get a bigger share of the pie. It’s not going to affect us as fans.

      • possumrld

        Gregor, You make a good point or two in the principal of how the pro sports owners basically have a “monopoly”. But while this may be true in a chosen sports ownership venue, nowadays in the bigger picture, it is in fact not that true. Because they are all in competition with other pro sports venues, and with the entertainment dollar on every level. And there are many more options as of to where to decide spend those entertainment dollars these days, than there was even just 15 years ago. So in the competioon for our dollars, it isn’t a monopoly nearly as much as it once was.
        And “like” them or not, this idea that the owners “make so much money” they should be willing to pay millions and millions to players, with no end in sight, is an odd way pf thinking to me. All you have to do is to know players salaries are what is mostly driving ticket prices up, is look back at when they were “only” making hundreds of thousands, to maybe a million dollars a year, and it is easy to see the ticket prices have followed the steep salary increases.
        And sure, we would all like to get “a bigger piece of the pie”. But the fact is, the owners are the ones who have their money invested, and who are paying the salaries, and taking all of the financial risks. To me, if the players want to make a bigger percentage of “the pie”, then maybe they should purchase their own teams or start their own leagues.

        • Gregor_S

          Well I guess we disagree on this. Decades ago, when the players were making a few thousand a year, or maybe close to a hundred thousand in the case of a top star, the reserve clause was in effect and prevented a player from playing for a different team. There was zero competition among owners for players and the owners fleeced them. It was only with the abolition of the reserve clause and the onset of free agency that player salaries took off.

          As far as the owners taking a financial risk, no one is saying they shouldn’t make a reasonable profit. The issue is how the pie is divided between the players and owners and whether the owners are making too much.

          Other sports and for that matter other forms of entertainment offer some competition for baseball, just as listening to the radio offers some competition for your cable company, but on the whole major league baseball qualifies as a monopoly.

          Gotta run tonight and can’t watch the game but this is an interesting subject. To be continued another time perhaps.

          • possumrld

            Gregor, it is a very socialistic idea that employees should get paid on a “percentage” based on what owners make. If you want to talk about monopolies, what about utility companies, like electricity and water providers, and cable companies? Yet none of these type companies are required to “share and share alike”, based on the fact that they have a “corner on the market”.
            Business, even pro sports, just doesn’t work that way. And it cannot ever work that way. Back in the 60’s you could easily have made the case that Crysler, GM and Ford were monopolies. They were very prosperous, and as such their employees did succeed in bullying them through the unions into giving them a “bigger piece of the pie”, using this age old socialistic idea, “Look at how much obscene profits the owners are making”.
            But we saw what eventually happened to the “Big 3’s” plants in Detroit, largely because of the employees being able to boss the owners around. It ran many of them out of business, or to other states where the people were glad just to have a good paying job, and not interested in to trying to run the company, or telling the owners what their “percentage of the take” should be..
            And trust me when I say, if the players in Pro Baseball, Football, and Basketball continue to have that kind of power over ownership, and if they insist their pay should be based on the fact owners “make so much more” than they do, and if they are successful in implementing this idea permanently, pro sports will collapse and diminish just like the big car companies did.
            And I do realize that wasn’t the only reason the big 3 got in trouble. But it is probably the greatest part of the reasons.

  • IKF good at baseball

    I don’t know what the live in Chinese Chef/maid/masseuse is planning for this evenings meal but when I snuck in the kitchen to get a fresh beer I spotted some small chunks of pork and some fresh bean sprouts. So, whatever, it’s going to be good. I didn’t want to hang around. You’ve all seen the cartoon of the Chinese cook chasing somebody with a meat cleaver. It’s not really a meat cleaver it’s a Chinese kitchen knife shaped like a cleaver. It still does ugly things to the human body I suppose. Not interested in finding out.

    • JacobMcCandles

      Related to Hop Sing?

      • IKF good at baseball

        I don’t know if I told this story or not. When I was building the engine for that Chevy truck I posted the picture of I was looking in the yellow pages for a place to get the heads trued up. Low and behold what did I find? “Hop Sing’s Head Shop.” It really was an automotive joint.

        • JacobMcCandles

          Haha….me and another guy bought a caddy convertible it is a classic

    • IKF good at baseball

      Mystery solved. Sweet and Sour Pork. That’s twice this week I may have to fire her or at a minimum reprimand her. On second thought I’ll cut her some slack she’s been a good employee for going on fifty two years so a little lee way may be in order.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b07acbb22ab1c093a6c34ed420238f30192fb73677be9dc2ea3c25c4a88f4ac8.jpg

  • IKF good at baseball

    I don’t know if this is good news or bad. It’s at least different. I don’t see why they don’t just go ahead and give him an MRI, it’s not that big a deal and it’s not that expensive. Been there done that , several times.

    Levi Weaver‏Verified account @ThreeTwoEephus

    17m17 minutes ago
    Vólquez says he felt better than expected; they evaluated the elbow and decided he didn’t need an MRI just yet. He’ll rest it and see how he feels in a few weeks.

    • IKF good at baseball

      Further info on this, makes some sense. ” Woodward said since Vólquez “wasn’t going to throw anyway” for the next
      4-6 weeks, it made sense to hold off doing the MRI and let any
      inflammation go down so the results were cleaner.”

  • IKF good at baseball

    C’s going to be happy. Choo’s leading off and Odor’s batting second. His favorite lineup. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ed46d266016c7931fcfdc83030c3a3a6c70fdfb56f725050c795514679d8b04.jpg

    • Mr.C

      Only because I like happy people. Seriously, Andrus should lead off, Choo May follow and then Pence, Gallo, Mazara, Cabrera, ….

      DD belongs to the bench.

      • azrangerfan

        Yep Pence earned a starting spot. He should be getting bulk of the playing time. I know this season is not all about winning but why not put the best team on the field. That formula has worked for years but doesn’t seem to apply anymore.

        • IKF good at baseball

          Yes, there’s that. It would imply replacing Mazara with Pence. The Rangers aren’t about to move Gallo out of LF on a permanent basis. They’ve found their fix for that position and they aren’t going to abandon it. LF is the whole reason the accepting Calhoun in the Darvish trade. Then somebody got the idea of playing Gallo there and Calhoun ended up being on the “we ain’t got no place to play him” team.

          • azrangerfan

            Gallo should be moved to CF for now. DD is the one who needs to set, not Mazara. DD has proved he’s a 4A player at best. Someone needs to get a real dose of reality.

          • JacobMcCandles

            Agreed

          • IKF good at baseball

            If they do anythng to replace DD on a permanent basis, it will be with a call up. They have made it plain they don’t want to play Gallo full time in center. I don’t have an opinion either way, just saying what the FO and Woodward have stated. I try to stay away from being opinionated on things of this nature because to be frank, I’m an idiot at it.

          • azrangerfan

            I tip my hat to you. I’m opiniated but I firmly believe in putting the team first
            It really irritates me to see these players coddled the way they are.
            They always have the option of going somewhere and driving Coke truck or something.

          • JacobMcCandles

            Spot on again

      • IKF good at baseball

        Go ahead and bring up Tocci. He’s doing really well at Nash. Even the power is starting to show. Not to mention he’s hitting .345. Of course Andy Ybanaz (sp?) is ruining everything and hitting a cool .500.

      • JacobMcCandles

        Elvis was not good in the lead off position previously

        • azrangerfan

          That’s really a problem with this team. A lot of holes to fill and just not enough talent to fill them all. The team really doesn’t have a true ML lead off hitter.

          • elkaba

            Where have we heard that before…

  • IKF good at baseball

    I like happy people, especially when they are Rangers prospects; Tyler Phillips and I think Demarcus Evans.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d60c6701e90163d579758fbbdb6e9c08e4760a628f8bb6093233b03d011d53b.png

    • elkaba

      Wow! Look at the size of their hands! Think they can handle a baseball with no problema!

      • IKF good at baseball

        Evans is like 6’5″ and 275. It ain’t just his hands that are big.

        • elkaba

          Impressive kids.

  • IKF good at baseball

    This is really very late, or very early depending on how you look at it. Either way it’s not very timely. If you get the chance you should make the trip to Surprise for ST. Rent and RV or something because the hotels are exorbitant. Watching the pretend games is one thing, but wandering the premises and the back fields as much as they let you is a rewarding experience for a baseball fan. What impressed me the most, was the sheer size of the pitchers the Rangers have signed. It’s like they were recruiting defensive ends. You will truly feel like your a midget. That and all the day to day stuff is immensely interesting. If you end up some place where your not supposed to be, nobody shows up to throw you out, they just ask you to leave. I suppose if you refuse, they might get a little testy.

  • IKF good at baseball

    To nights line up at Down East: That outfield is amazingly fast. Jenikins and Thompson are faster home to first than DD is. Taveras is not far behind.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bbeb5d1f1393edfd7962912117bab6dd684f3756b66c4ee58caad4084431f68f.jpg

  • azrangerfan

    I hate the way baseball has gone. It used to be that every spring there was a glimmer of hope that your team could pull it off. That’s not necessarily true anymore. Teams are just prepared to lose now leaving the fans knowing there is no chance to get in the playoffs. Just doesn’t make sense to me.

    • possumrld

      aza, I think attitudes have changed more then the game has. I don’t remember having anything but “blind fan” optimism, “back in the day”. We were Astros fans form the time they changed over to the Colt 45’s, in the 1960’s, until in 1980, when we moved to Arlington and “discovered” the Rangers, and the American league style of play.
      But when we were Astros fans, I well remember how the Astros were horrid for so many years, and that they probably traded away the equivalent of 3 world series teams over that 30 year span. But nevertheless, regardless of how abysmal they were last season, we always thought “This is the year!”, even though it never was.
      And look at the Cubs, and the Padres, and many other teams that spent decades mired in mediocrity. Yet back in those days, their fans still remained very loyal. And I think in large part that was a because of the sports culture back then. But I think the biggest change over the past 30 years has been the emergence of the numbers cruncher’s and the bean counters who have the game analyzed down to the point where fans now are pretty much forced to face the reality, that “based on the numbers”, their team is already “done”, before even one opening day pitch has even been tossed.
      Of course, the statisticians and the prognosticators are wrong sometimes. But in the big picture, they are right way more than they are wrong. So fans these days after hearing the “season’s forecast”, of doom and gloom for their team, they soon get deflated and discouraged and quickly lose interest, sometimes before the season has even began.

      • IKF good at baseball

        Amen Pos. I suffered through my early baseball life as a Padres fan and in Japanese baseball the Taiyo Whales. Both, at that time were always bad, not just bad, horrendous, but both had their fans. I even painted my San Diego house in Padres colors. A team being bad never caused me to lose my enthusiasm for the game. I think Cubs fans understand that as well. Yankees fans, not so much.

        • possumrld

          Yes indeed, IKF! And this attitude was not uncommon, “back in the day”.

      • JacobMcCandles

        Astros were close a couple of times….Rangers never till Wash

        • possumrld

          Jake, but the Astros “almost success” was mostly after the 1980’s, like in 1987 88, or ’89, if my memory serves me correctly. But I don’t remember any serious playoff opportunities by the Astros back in the 60’s and 70’s, through the early 80’s.
          And the Rangers were close before Wash, at least a couple of times. The one that comes to my mind was when the Yankees knocked them out of the first round, when the famous “three more” comment was made by Pudge Rodríguez.

          • JacobMcCandles

            While I wasnt born yet…..in 1980 the Stros played a best of 5 series agst the Phillies….4 of the 5 games went to extras. MLB ranks it a top ten post season series……. Stros played without their best pitcher,hitter and starting catcher

  • JacobMcCandles

    Nadel I view…….Eric gives Galloway a huge compliment on his success…Nadel said he would’ve never made it without Galloway…another example of fans not getting the full package..Randy is a very giving person

  • TD30
    • JacobMcCandles

      Thanks Boomer

      • TD30

        You are welcome…..SOONER!!

    • GoRangers23

      Thanks TD!

    • possumrld

      I think the Rangers need to somehow figure out how to get Hunter Pence in the line up almost every day.

      • Mr.C

        Easy

        Sit Delino.

  • WhoKnowscs

    Today’s topic reminded me of 2017. Before Spring Training in 2017 the Yankees front office told the, then young and inexperienced, players that they didn’t need to feel pressured to make the postseason that year. Basically they were telling the players that they were rebuilding. The previous season was when they traded Beltran, Chapman and Miller. Basically they were selling off and restocking but they weren’t expecting to make an immediate impact(This was before Judge emerged as a known power bat). Fast forward to October and low and behold they take the ALCS to 7 games before losing to the Astros(who took 4 years to tank and “rebuild” and arguably that might not even have been enough without the Verlander trade that year). So a team that wasn’t expecting to compete made the ALCS.

    • azrangerfan

      Yep you just never know

  • IKF good at baseball

    Jared Sandler‏Verified account @JaredSandler

    3m3 minutes ago
    Woody talked about Rougie’s focus on using the opposite field as a reason he’s been late/hasn’t capitalized on FB in the zone this year and identified it as a change in the works. This year, he’s hitting just .263 w/ a .368 SLG. League avg so far this year is .298 with a .525 SLG

  • IKF good at baseball

    Odor sits with a “sore knee.” We need Profar back. Not!

  • IKF good at baseball

    Smyly is looking good so far.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Hickor is losing, Down East is losing, Frisco is winning. Both Hickory and Down East are just down a run or two and it’s early like the 4th inning. Frisco is up by 4 in the 2nd.

  • TD30

    That made me nervous. CHOO got lucky.

    • IKF good at baseball

      It’s time to trade him.

      • TD30

        No one will take him

  • IKF good at baseball

    The Rangers lead

  • JacobMcCandles

    Who will be the first to post rbi cuz Odor wasn’t batting second!!!! Lol

    • IKF good at baseball

      I had “Who need Odor” already typed then thought better of it.

      • IKF good at baseball

        Thought better of it because it was in jest. I truly believe that Odor is a valuable member of this team.

    • WhoKnowscs

      You.

  • IKF good at baseball

    No change at Hickory and Down East. Frisco no longer leads by four, just one. 4-3.

  • WhoKnowscs

    At the very least we got 2 runs and 25 pitches out of Fiers in the first.

    • WhoKnowscs

      26 and a mound visit.

    • IKF good at baseball

      I have never understood why Fiers is a ML pitcher. He has never shown me much. Of course he doesn’t have to. I don’t have much of a vote.

      • JacobMcCandles

        Ck out his early yrs with the Brews….started 1 yr 10-1……and threw a no hitter as an Astro

        • IKF good at baseball

          To much work. I’ll live happily in my ignorance.

        • Vlad2019

          The first time I saw you post on the mlb site was after Fiers’ no-hitter.Two things I remember;you lowering the boom on a troll who accused him of cheating,and you calling me “Sir” 🙂

          • JacobMcCandles

            : )

  • elkaba

    Yay! The game’s on TV!

    • Vlad2019

      Can I come over and watch??….I’ll be there in 20 hours 🙂

      • elkaba

        Sorry… not sorry. 🙂

  • IKF good at baseball

    Well, K Davis is at bat. The good news is nobody is on and we’re up by two.

    • IKF good at baseball

      No challenge for Smyly. Easy strike out. Smyly rules.

    • Mr.C

      Told you we should pitch at him

      • IKF good at baseball

        I like that … pitch at him, not to him :):):)

        • Mr.C

          That’s Puertrican english.

          • IKF good at baseball

            HuH? I’m just a dumb country boy, What forever are you talking about.

  • Mr.C

    Gallo should have bunted

    • IKF good at baseball

      Always. It’s what he’s paid for.

      • Mr.C

        Seriously,
        Andrus on 3rd, one out.
        A’s shifting on him.

        Why not?

        • IKF good at baseball

          I don’t know. Your asking an old sailor that is only good at drinking beer and coffee to be a baseball strategist?

          • Mr.C

            Woody starts playing that kind of baseball and fans will start showing interest in this team.

          • IKF good at baseball

            I get where you’re coming from. I was just being a smart donkey.

  • elkaba

    Odor’s hurt?

    • IKF good at baseball

      Bad knee

      • elkaba

        Oh, no! That’s the last thing we need.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Smyly’s on a roll. Looks good so far. Maybe good things are happening.

  • IKF good at baseball

    There went the no hitter.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Profar’s the man.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Down on the farm …. Hickory tied it up at 4 top of the 8th, Down East still down by 2 bottom of the 6th and Frisco up by two bottom of the 4th. No score at Nashville/San Antonio bottom of the 3rd.

  • calntom

    52 pitches through 3. Better

    • IKF good at baseball

      He might make it to 6, we’ll probably have to be happy with 5. Either way it will be an improvement.

      • calntom

        I would settle for 5

  • IKF good at baseball

    That was a filthy curve. I’m starting to like Smyly.

  • IKF good at baseball

    San Antonio leading 1-0 top of the 5th. Everything else no change in score. Innings too much trouble after 6 hours of beer, if your really curios look for your self. Link:

    https://www.milb.com/scores/rangers/

  • IKF good at baseball

    I don’t know what everybody else is watching, but I just saw a Taco Bell commercial that reminds me what an idiot I was. Way back when Taco Bell first went public shares were $0.50. I had better things to do with my money. Chasing girls and drinking beer. Alas …..

  • IKF good at baseball

    DeShields needs to sit. Call up Tocci.

  • GoRangers23

    Good catch Delino!

    • IKF good at baseball

      I was starting to wonder if anybody else was watching.

      • GoRangers23

        I was, I just couldn’t get to my iPad. 😄

      • calntom

        I have the radio going and all 5 games up on game day.

        • IKF good at baseball

          I’m impressed. That’s a lot of baseball. Best I can do is keep up with the high lights.

          • calntom

            The wife unit got me a larger tablet for Christmas. I must have been awesome…..
            Makes it easy to keep up. The tabs update as the games move along so anytime I click on one, it is up to date.

      • calntom

        Your man Terry has a 2 run jack tonight

  • JacobMcCandles

    Nice play DD

  • calntom

    Astounding

  • IKF good at baseball

    Down East down by 4, Hickory tied, Frisco lead by 2, Nashville down by one. Innings, I don’t know.

    Cabby Homers, Rangers up by 2.

  • GoRangers23

    Go Cabrera!! Too bad no one was on base!

  • JacobMcCandles
  • JacobMcCandles

    Elvis at his best

  • calntom

    I’ll be. Amazing

  • WhoKnowscs

    It’s a Miracle! 5 innings from a Tommy John Squad Member!

    • IKF good at baseball

      People have been far to dismissive of the TJ squad. Odds say that two of the three will return to their old level of performance. You don’t have to look it up, I already did.

      • WhoKnowscs

        Yeah, I’m just tired of having to work through the bad starts.

  • calntom

    Smyly has to feel pretty good so far tonight

  • WhoKnowscs

    The Speed put on the pick off throw . . . you think they are worried about DD?

    • IKF good at baseball

      Nobody’s worried about DD. DD needs to sit. Call up Tocci.

      • WhoKnowscs

        uh huh.

      • JacobMcCandles

        Deja Vu all over again

  • WhoKnowscs

    Make Fiers do the Chicken Dance? (Balk, Balk, Balk)

  • JacobMcCandles

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qqE_WmagjY

    Prepare to laugh your arse off

    • IKF good at baseball

      Old stuff, saw it thrity years ago.

      • JacobMcCandles

        Cant watch it without crying

  • TD30

    Go Elvis!!!

    • IKF good at baseball

      Aw, he just got lucky. Won’t happen again.

      • IKF good at baseball

        Quit that Ed, be nice.

      • TD30

        Elvis is FANTASTIC. Haven’t you heard?

        • GoRangers23

          That just made Mr C’s night!

  • GoRangers23

    ELVISSSSS!!

  • calntom

    Good little break for Smyly before the 6th. DID I SAY 6TH????

    • GoRangers23

      Surprising, but I’m very glad! Hopefully he only gets better from here!

  • IKF good at baseball

    Down East, no change, Hickory lost, Frisco has opened it up, leading by, let me see nine minus four equals five, got it Frisco leading by five. Nash still trails by one.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Sixth inning, who’s that pitching? Can’t be Smyly, must be a ringer.

    • calntom

      Nadel and game day confirm. It is Smyly

  • calntom

    Going to one of my son’s house for a crawfish boil mañana and spending the night. That means I am drinking beer tomorrow and watching the Masters. No driving home.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Smyly might be done. It looks like he’s starting to lose the strike zone.

    • Mr.C

      Double play will fix that

  • IKF good at baseball

    I hear a phone ringing and it ain’t mine.

  • WhoKnowscs
  • WhoKnowscs

    He’s run out of gas.

    • Mr.C

      Good game thou

    • IKF good at baseball

      Nah, he’s an electric, his batteries died.

      • WhoKnowscs

        Just what we need, another pitcher with Electric Stuff.

      • WhoKnowscs

        QuickTrip is much closer than a place with a Tesla filler though. We need to convert him back.

  • GoRangers23

    Uh oh.

  • IKF good at baseball

    I don’t know about Chavez. I suppose we need to give him a chance to get it straight. Still makes me nervous. Tough situation for anybody though.

  • WhoKnowscs

    Jesse is pitching scared.

  • IKF good at baseball

    Ouch!

  • WhoKnowscs

    Just what we need . . . KD at the plate.

  • Mr.C

    Jessie Chavez is _________

    • WhoKnowscs

      I can’t fill that in without needing to censor myself.

  • WhoKnowscs

    i fear 6-6 coming up.

  • GoRangers23

    Whoops and OY.

  • IKF good at baseball

    It’s a good thing I take a lot of drugs or this might be more than my ticker can take.

    • elkaba

      Nail biter.

  • WhoKnowscs

    What do you can a reliever that can’t keep runners from scoring?

  • IKF good at baseball

    Ahhh Relief at last. Time to score some runs.

    • Mr.C

      Good

      We won’t see Chavez until next week.

      • calntom

        Chavez, he’s your man

        • Mr.C

          Negative. He is your man !

          LOL

        • elkaba

          Chavez, Chavez,
          He’s your man.
          If he can’t lose it,
          Leclerc sure can.

          • calntom

            Lmao

  • IKF good at baseball

    Down East lost, Hickory lost, Frisco up by 3, Nash down two. So far bad night down on the farm.

    • calntom

      Pena for Nashville. 7 innings, 4 hits, 2 run, both solo shots. 97 pitches, 6k, 1bb

  • IKF good at baseball

    I’ve got it ciphered out. Bottom of the 9th , two out, tie game, Pence pinch hits, homers and Rangers walk it off. Roll the rest of the game, it’s over.

  • JacobMcCandles

    Trajectory and exit velocity is so humorous to me…..was listening to Bagwell on a Stros broadcast the other day and he was lampooning it……said all he was concerned with was if it cleared the fence

  • GoRangers23

    Poo

    • calntom

      Crapballs

  • WhoKnowscs

    3 Fly outs, 3 Fly outs
    See the balls fly, See the balls fly
    The balls all flew the the players gloves
    Who Caught the balls and got the hitters out
    Back the Dugout the Rangers go to get the gloves for the next inning
    all because of 3 Fly outs.

  • JacobMcCandles

    Wash really turned Semien into a pretty darn good player……Miss him

  • IKF good at baseball

    It’s tied up, I told you. Nothing going to happen until the bottom of the 9th.

  • JacobMcCandles

    God bless America and the brothers and sisters that are serving, regardless of the respect they get at home, or the cost.

    • calntom

      Roger that

  • Mr.C

    I can’t believe Elvis will have to get another couple of RBIs and save the game for the team.

    Elvis is FANTASTIC!
    🕺

  • Mr.C

    This dude is good for one inning only.

    • calntom

      I think we have another at the farm. Maybe make a trade

      • Mr.C

        Can’t blame him against the Krusher !

  • WhoKnowscs

    I blame Chavez. He couldn’t record a single out until every inherited runner scored.

  • Mr.C

    10 HRs this season, 5 in the past 3 games

  • calntom

    If every Ranger pitcher is going to give up a run, Rangers will need to score more runs

    • Mr.C

      We will score 3 runs in this inning

      Not to worry

      • calntom

        Ok

        • Mr.C

          Now you can worry

          • calntom

            Ok

  • calntom

    Nashville just put up a 7 spot. Davidson, 3 run bomb

  • calntom

    Pence needs to see some of that LF grass starting mañana

  • Mr.C

    I like Bob Melvin.

  • WhoKnowscs

    I got the ultimate trade that should peak JD up since he likes to Gamble. He should trade for Davis!

    Chris Davis =)

  • calntom

    6 pitchers, good thing they have 13

    • Mr.C

      Bases loaded and no outs in the 6th inning.

      Woody brings Chavez …. Game Over!

      • elkaba

        Why not Chavez? If this the year we want PROOF of what we have (and what we don’t have,) why not face facts early? I say bring it on. Don’t baby these guys. Put em through the ringer.

        • calntom

          I was thinking why not Springs for 2-3 innings instead of Chavez , but Springs could not get anybody out when he came in…….

          • elkaba

            Whatever we got, I’d just as soon be sure. I’m totally over “next year.”

          • calntom

            Yep, perfect year to let it all hang out

          • elkaba

            It’s high time. With all the kids coming up behind these guys, they ought to start hearing footsteps soon.

        • Mr.C

          Because with bases loaded and no outs the reasonable reliever should be whoever gives you the highest probability to strike out the side.

          Chavez is a contact pitcher. Bad choice from our rookie Manager IMO.

  • GoRangers23

    I think that’s the happiest I have ever seen Profar.

  • WhoKnowscs

    Sometimes the Rangers’ fielding looks so nonchalant they look like they’ve already given up.

    • elkaba

      Not very sharp looking, are they?

      • WhoKnowscs

        nope, Gallo looked like he just walked up to that first hit. and the throw when Profar was running home didn’t even look like they were concerned with him all that much.

  • JacobMcCandles

    Oy up 6-1 and lose.

    • calntom

      It ain’t over

      • JacobMcCandles

        Surrrre 🙃

      • WhoKnowscs

        The realist in me says it is, the optimist in me is cowering in the corner.

    • Mr.C

      Yeap
      Your boy Chavez couldn’t hold anybody tonight ……..

      …..again!

      • JacobMcCandles

        My fault I guess

  • GoRangers23

    I wonder why Hunter Pence isn’t being used more often?

  • WhoKnowscs

    Let’s go Choo! 4 for 5.

  • calntom

    It is over…

  • JacobMcCandles

    Embarrassing as it gets

  • WhoKnowscs

    Astros just hit their 2nd Grand Slam of the game vs the Mariners.

    • GoRangers23

      Wow!